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| Topic Started: Jul 1 2008, 01:57 PM (3,069 Views) | |
| philabob1 | Jul 10 2008, 04:29 PM Post #11 |
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Makes sense - that and the fact that the artics probably aren't needed on 14 until the fall crowds return. I was surprised that 27 has them now, but with school closed, even the midday runs on the current schedule can often be handled by 40' buses. Speaking of which, I saw three consecutive runs on 27 this afternoon held down with 5900's. I'm wondering how they're making out on the hills. 27 got the same treatment when the Volvos were here - some runs were designated for artics, others were not. It was rare to see a Volvo out after the PM peak or on weekends. |
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| CACrafter88bk2504 | Jul 10 2008, 05:12 PM Post #12 |
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I spotted 5912, 5915,5918 & 5922 on the 27. All in one day. Today. As for the Volvos assigned to Allegheny(1984-2000), there was at least one run on the 27 that ended @ 15th & Spruce @ 8:25pm(from Barren Hill) during the week. This particular run had Volvos assigned to it. Then there were a few afternoon straights on the 48 & 60 that extended into the latter evening hours(lastest being 9:30pm). These sightings were odd during the winter months. The 9 lost all it's Vovlos by 6:30pm during the week. |
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| Van2006ko | Jul 10 2008, 11:28 PM Post #13 |
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So far, 5479, 5481, 5489 5910, 5911, 5912, 5913, 5914, 5915, 5916, 5917, 5918, 5919, 5920, 5922, and 5924 has been reported on Allegheny routes. 7108 with 3-4 others are @ Comly for training! |
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| Tritransit Area | Jul 13 2008, 07:37 PM Post #14 |
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Yes, it is interesting to see New Flyers on routes that I knew as 100% artic routes. I certainly did a double take when an unexpected New Flyer appeared at Plymouth Meeting Mall, running on the 27. I've heard reports today that there were 40fters on both the 48 and the 33 - what's up with that? I also saw 5920 at Somerset Station on Thursday, properly running on the 54. I'm sure the 5900s are handing the hills a lot better than the artics did. The 27 must be a swifter ride with these New Flyers. Hopefully, this doesn't mean that artics will only run on the 27 during the rush; that would likely greatly lower my chances of riding an artic on this route. Which would be strange. Oh well, so much for knowing when a 27 is coming just by looking at the type of bus! |
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| Southern_8100 | Jul 14 2008, 04:13 PM Post #15 |
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As for New Flyers running on the 33 & 48, lets just hope SEPTA doesn't pull a fast one and try to put them on during the morning on evening rush hours during the week. The artics going over to Comly...are they strictly for the 14, or will they used on other routes? The 20 can benefit from having a few Neo Artics during the AM & PM peak hrs. BTW, based on the sightings found on the forums (and based on my own sightings), it seems like New Flyers have been found on every Allegheny based route except the 6. This past Saturday I was in the area of 74th & Ogontz Ave and every 6 that went by had an Artic. Even with the New Flyers coming over from Comly, does SEPTA plan on keeping the 6 as an "all artic" route? |
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| CACrafter88bk2504 | Jul 14 2008, 10:38 PM Post #16 |
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They should send the 6 back to Midvale. I live 2 blocks away from route 6 & the 6 doesn't need artics after 9pm during the week. I could be wrong but I think the 6 has since lost some ridership counts over the years. If the 6 stays @ Allegheny, it may remain an all artic route. If the 6 gets reassigned to Midvale, they will take many of the artics off the 55 & deploy them onto the 6 during the weekday schedules. One thing about the 6, you will always need room on the 6. It is better to be safe than sorry. Before the 6 became bus in January 1986, the line served as a feeder to the broad & olney subway & carried nearly 10,000 daily. That was itneresting at the time, given that the line was only 20 minutes in length from end to end & the Germantown routes(L, 6exp which became the 22 & 55) served specific suburbs in Montgomery County that, in November 1985, were either sparsely populated or no one really paid attention to these areas. Around November 1985(shortly before 6 went bus), the L, 22 & 55 didn't carry the headways & ridership counts that could top the 6. Not even the S (which became the 18)& 26. The C may have came close. On weekends, the 6 can get tricky. When Midvale had the 6, there were some trips going to or from olney terminal on Saturday or Sunday that were empty, and there were some trips that were so filled that you had to literally go to the roof of the bus just to either get a seat or get some fresh air. And yes Midvale ran Neos on the 6 during the weekends(daytime hours, mainly the Neo EIs & a few Neo EZs before Midvale lost the line. |
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| TRANSIT_FREAK | Jul 14 2008, 10:49 PM Post #17 |
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I took the 6 last year to and from school, The bus was packed even at noon. I remember 1 time I took it at like 6:00 in the morning. That run had an artic. It could have used an Eldorado! But at like 5AM I saw A midvale overhaul on route 6 while I was at Olney. That was someday in May. |
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| Southern_8100 | Jul 14 2008, 11:52 PM Post #18 |
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If the 6 does stay at Allegheny, they may put New Flyers on the route after a certain time since they aren't needed 24/7. In fact, most of the 6's i saw this past weekend could've gotten away with a New Flyer. I'm still surprised over the fact that the New Flyers have made an appearance on the 33 & 48, but have yet to be seen on the 6! However, if there was any Allegheny route that should be sent over to Midvale, it should definitely be the 27. The ridership on the 27 is so low that you could assign Eldorados on it. Same thing goes with the 9, which may be one of the reasons it was sent to midvale in exchange for the 54 (back in 2004 i believe). I guess the 54 supposedly had high ridership and the artics were needed throughout the day. |
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| philabob1 | Jul 15 2008, 02:38 PM Post #19 |
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Yesterday I saw LF's on 27 blocks 59 and 60. 59 starts first thing and goes thru the PM peak, so at least one peak run is getting LF's. I believe 60 starts early and comes back after the PM as well. The 70 blocks, which run into the late evening, have been LF's for the past week or so, so they're going to non-artics in the PM peak as well. Many 27 riders have gotten used to expecting artics (stand at 15th & Kennedy and watch the 'sea' of riders head toward the curb when an artic comes around City Hall - more often than not it's a 33). They'll need to adjust. The hills on 27 were not kind to all 40' buses. The 3100-series Neos assigned to Allegheny had little trouble on them. The NABI's frequently did. Perhaps the toughest hill is the short rise southbound on Leverington Ave just off Henry where trouble waits because the bus must slow to make the turn from Henry so it's starting from almost stop. A close second is northbound on Manayunk Ave at Burnside St (the north side of the bridge over Shurs Lane), which is a service stop - if the bus doesn't have to make this, it will have much less trouble climbing that hill. Interestingly the runs I saw this past weekend on 27 were all served by artics. As for 33 and 48, back in the Volvo days many weekend 48's were RTS's and 3100-series Neos. On 9, there was an occasional Volvo out past the PM peak, but most were off by dark. |
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| Septa3371CSX1 | Jul 15 2008, 03:12 PM Post #20 |
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I've said this before, and I will say it again. The way things were in the 1990's at Allegheny in regards to artic assignments is how they should still do it today. I feel the 6 should go back to Midvale since it is closer to the route and also more in the territory of where many of Midvale's routes run. Let's examine the route assignments back in 1998 right before the 35 was moved to Midvale. Allegheny had the 9, 27, 32, 33, 35, 39, 48, 54, 60, 61, and part of the 65. Midvale had the 6, 22, 53, 55, 56, 77, H/XH, L, and part of the 2, 18 (it was right around this time that Midvale got the whole shibbang), 23, 47, 47M (at this time the 47 and 47M were interlined), 57, 89, C, and Broad Street Orange OWL. The 35 used a few 1300 series Neoplans that were assigned to Allegheny specifically for that route. They moved to Midvale with the 35. The 32, 33, 39, 54, 61, and 65 used 40 footers at just about all times. The 9, 27, 48, and 60 used the Volvos (8590 was assigned to route 27 blocks 57 and 75) and also used 40 footers. The 48 and 60 mainly used Volvos during the week but some 40 footers snuck in on the weekends. As PhilaBob said, the 9 and 27 usually lost their Volvos after the PM peak ended. The way it worked was that certain blocks were assigned artics and they were usually blocks that ran only during the peak hours with maybe a couple of early and midday straights. Weekends the 9 and 27 were pretty much all 40 footers. Then when SEPTA decided to get the new artics, they figured an all artic depot was a great idea. Now they're realizing how stupid that was. What SEPTA should be doing with the redeployment of artics is putting things back close to where they used to be. Move the 9, 32, 61, and 62 back to Allegheny and bring the 6 back to Midvale. Keep 80 artics at Allegheny. This would be enough for the 33, 48, and 60 to use and also leave enough for selected blocks on the 9, 27, 54, and 65 to have. The rest of the blocks on those routes would be 40 footers. Use the additional artics at Midvale on the 47 and other routes that desperately need them. |
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