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|What NJT routes had original PSCT Route numbers?; Original Public Service Bus routes in NJ|
|Tweet Topic Started: Mar 27 2012, 08:52 PM (1,002 Views)|
|Mark||Mar 27 2012, 08:52 PM Post #1|
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Can anyone identify the original PSCT route currently operated by NJT?
Current NJT route/Pre-1989-TNJ route/Original PSCT route
400 F ?
401 G ?
402 J ?
403 L-M-N-O ?
404 D ?
405/456-Pre 1995 6 7A
406 P Red Arrow/TPC 54/54a
407/414 7 7
408 T ?
409 9A 9A
410 S ?
412 W ?
413 71/X combined 71
419 9 9
450 A/AA ?
451 B/BB ?
452 C/CC ?
453 E/EE ?
454 KK ?
455 R/RR ?
456 6 7A
457 V/VV ?
458 X 71
459 U/UU ?
551 101 101 Express
554 104 101 Local
313 ? ?
315 ? ?
317 117 117
|philabob1||Mar 27 2012, 09:56 PM Post #2|
PS - TNJ (subsidized PATCO feeder) - NJT
2-3 - A/AA - 450
4-5 - BB - 451 (the Phila service was dropped when PATCO feeder service began) (24, 55 and 63 were folded into BB as well)
6-7A - no feeder number - 405 and 456
7 - no feeder number - 407 (express service became 414)
9 - no feeder number - 419
9A - no feeder number - 409
12/80 - CC - 452
14-15 - D/DD - 404 (25 was folded in to DD as well) (never understood why this route became a PATCO feeder)
16/34 - EE - 453
21-31 - F - 400 (a new cross-county FF was created as well)
27 - G/GG - 401 (this route number was not frequently displayed, buses mainly had 'Woodbury' signs up)
40-41 - HH (the Phila service was dropped when PATCO feeder service began) - parts of this later were glommed onto 455 and 457
47 - J/JJ - 402 (this route number was not frequently displayed, buses mainly had 'Pennsville' signs up)
50-53 - KK - 454 (the Phila service was dropped when PATCO feeder service began)
51 - LL (the Phila service was dropped when PATCO feeder service began) - 403
54 (Red Arrow) - P (TNJ took over later, added it into its system) - 406
60-61 - MM (the Phila service was dropped when PATCO feeder service began) - 403
65 - N - 403 (403 picked up the basic White Horse Pike services)
67 - O - 403
69 - RR (Phila service was dropped, became a Haddonfield - Deptford connector) - became parts of 455 and 457
68 - VV (parts), later broken up into parts of 455 and 457
71 - no feeder number - 413
Salem - S - 401
Vineland/Millville - T - 408
Glassboro (operated by independents) - W - 412
UU was a later entry, another cross-county route - 459
The shore routes officially had route numbers but did not display them on signs and timetables. The only exception I recall was 102, the local Atlantic City-Cape May connector.
Edited by philabob1, Mar 28 2012, 08:12 AM.
|Mark||Mar 27 2012, 11:07 PM Post #3|
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|Thanks a lot.|
|philabob1||Mar 28 2012, 07:56 AM Post #4|
Remembered a couple of other things.
68 became PP for a brief period before the VV was created. VV took over the Kingston Estates part of D (D picked up the 54C-H line when TNJ took over SEPTA's NJ operations. 54C-H connected Haddonfield PATCO and Cherry Hill Mall, so D was extended to cover this, and VV later came along as a long Camden to Moorestown Mall run, picking up PP, the D south/east of Cherry Hill Mall, and some new territory. VV had two branches, one via Cherry Hill Mall and one direct to Moorestown Mall.) 68 was, as I recall, a line with long headways that did some cross-county service from Camden via Kings Highway to 'downtown' Haddonfield, and PP basically became this with a branch from Haddonfield to National Park, avoiding Camden.
There was also a short-lived BD combo combining parts of BB from Camden to Haddonfield PATCO and D from Haddonfield to Cherry Hill Mall.
As mentioned, I often wondered why D and F in particular were parts of the PATCO feeder system. Each of these connected with PATCO in downtown Camden but that was it (except when D was extended to Haddonfield PATCO). Same thing on the Broadway trunk routes (G, J, S, T and later W, that had little in common with PATCO's service area - A/AA loosely did, given its cross-county extension to Cherry Hill Mall via Westmont PATCO.)
The FF was an interesting new cross-county line from Blackwood Terrace to Echelon Mall via Evesham Rd and Ashland PATCO, having very little in common with the trunk F line.
Edited by philabob1, Mar 29 2012, 10:19 AM.
|Septa3371CSX1||Mar 28 2012, 07:59 PM Post #5|
|313 and 315 were 113 and 115. There was also a seasonal 125 that operated from Philly to LBI via 70 and 72 with limited stops and limited service.|
|CACrafter88bk2504||Sep 3 2012, 12:35 PM Post #6|
My question is for the North Jersey routes, coming out of Oradell. I saw a video on YouTube with a 1960s GM Fishbowl with a 4 speed manual transmission and no air conditioning signed up for route 164 Fairlawn. The bus also had TNJ paint and decals.
What were the original route numbers and letters for the bus lines coming out of Oradell, Big Tree, Paterson and Ironbound garages?
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